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April 11

Jesus Christ as a Co-Author

The end of Warren Jeffs § Jesus Christ Message to All Nations contains 3 citations, the first of which names Jesus Christ as a co-author. Is it standard practice in Wikipedia to cite a figure purported by the actual author to be imparting prophecy? If not, should Jesus Christ be removed from this citation? Thompcha (talk) 06:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Thompcha: I removed the author’s name. If he’s upset by that, he can discuss on the article’s talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 08:40, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Oh, Je... jeez, Tim, I literally LOLed out loud when I read this! Pelagicmessages ) – (23:43 Tue 13, AEDT) 12:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Rollbacker's advantages

What more can rollbackers do than non-rollbackers in countering vandalism? Dr Salvus 08:05, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: Not that much really, they just have access to the internal "rollback" feature that allows quicker revisions than the "rollback-like" features of Twinkle or other tools or the "undo" button, which each need to load an edit page first. See Wikipedia:Rollback for details. Regards SoWhy 08:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
They can use Wikipedia:Huggle. Ruslik_Zero 08:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

PEOPLE WITH Parkinson's disease

Linda Ronstadt, the one-time “First Lady of Rock”, is no longer able to sing due to Parkinson's disease = THIS LADY IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST OF PEOPLE WITH PARKINSON'S DISEASE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.37.240 (talk)

She is on List of people diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, it appears. Was there another list you had in mind? Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
I have added Linda Ronstadt to Category:People with Parkinson's disease. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Donation

Hi, I saw that you are looking for donations and I would be happy to help. However can you please make it easier to donate. Function Paypal is not the easiest and I will not add credit cards. If you would for example have Trustly service it would be a lot easier for many people to donate. Also trustly has low cost for you if you contact them as Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.174.186.88 (talk) 09:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Donations are made to the Wikimedia Foundation, which supports many projects of which Wikipedia is one: nobody editing Wikiepdia has any control or any particular influence in this. Ways to donate are described at m:Donations. If you want ot make other suggestions, please discuss them at that article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 12:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Question

Why can't non-sysop view delete contributions? Dr Salvus 12:43, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

That is because deleted contributions are generally deleted by admins. The point of deleting them is to not have them be readable anymore. There are quite a lot of reasons why we delete contributions, and some reasons why we wouldn't even want them readable by admins. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 12:50, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Dr Salvus, the information page Wikipedia:Viewing deleted content suggests that allowing non-sysops to view deleted contributions would cause legal problems. TSventon (talk) 12:53, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Because sysops want to make people edit more to get sysop, simple lol. 91.142.213.109 (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect Year Of Birth For American Singer Mariah Carey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariah_Carey

This is, for whatever reason, a highly debated topic - the year of birth for Mariah Carey. Formerly, the Wikipedia page for Mariah Carey stated that the singer was born in either 1969 or 1970, and as of recent, has been changed to the incorrect year, 1969. Mariah is undoubtedly born in 1970 - this has been confirmed by her OWN MOTHER on the Oprah Winfrey Show, back in 1999.

link to evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZfz3A-ptAw

timestamp, 2:25 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:7F88:9800:CCD1:6CC5:8926:6FD1 (talk) 16:03, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

The citation in the note following the date of birth given in the article shows that her birth was announced in a local paper in 1969. It's improbable (to say the least) that such an announcement would appear a year in advance of her actual birth. Deor (talk) 16:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Please see the note 'a' next to the DoB in the first sentence for clarification. However the video does state at ~2.33 that she was born in 1970. But, as noted above the local paper would hardly have published an announcement a year before her birth. It could easily just be a 'slip of the tongue' by the mother. If you wish to discuss further, please do so at the article talk page. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 16:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
See Talk:Mariah Carey#New evidence for 1969 birth. Huntington had 200,000 people. The chance of another Mariah being born exactly 1 year before her to "Mr. and Mrs. Alfred Carey" is extremely small. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Also note that many celebrities are not completely honest about their ages, for various reasons. 331dot (talk) 17:21, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
    • Indeed. Laura Branigan is a case where the date of birth reported by reliable sources was obviously false based on study of early newspaper clippings, school records and the like. A diligent fan worked for years to get reliable sources to correct the record, and eventually succeeded. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:13, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
But Brannigan's dead. She's beyond caring what we publish. It's really different if the subject is still on the right side of the ground, as Mariah Carey is.
Looks to me like there are sources giving one date, one the other. Unless the sources on one side are near useless, we don't have any business picking which one is the stone truth. Carey's mother is a poor source, but there are apparently other sources that agree with her.
Morever, it is pretty clear that Carey doesn't want people to necessarily know her real birth date -- stuff like this Yahoo story sure as heck makes me believe that could be true -- and/or doesn't want them to think that it's 1969. She's alive and wriggling so that matters a whole lot.
WP:BLP (at WP:DOB) says

Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public.

It doesn't say "widely and uncontestedly published by reliable sources" although you could certainly infer that that'd be assumed. If you're a strict constructionist and you kind of squint, you can parse the text to say that sources that indicate that the subject does object can just be ignored rather than taken as guidance, and as long as you only use sources that don't happen to also include the subject objecting. That's obviously perverting the intent, and most people wouldn't agree with you I think.
But if you want to plow on and not admit you've already fouled out, you must at least agree that "widely published by reliable sources" is required. Alright, to prove that Carey was born in 1969 and no other year, we have five sources:
  • A "birth announcement in Carey's hometown newspaper The Long-Islander [which] indicates 1969". That is not "widely published". How many people have read that. It's investigative work for us to have dug that up.
  • The LA Times and Newsday both use math to back-figure a birthday from just the age, that's investigative journalism and we don't do that. That's right out. We don't do "Smith is 5'10" tall, as demonstrated by this photo of him standing next to Tom Hanks who is 6'0"" and like that.
  • People Magazine is a good source, is widely read, and does straight up say she was born on March 27, 1969.[1]. So that's one. Whether one source is enough to fulfill "widely published", I don't know. It's reasonable to say so I guess. And of course there may be other good sources, but "may be" is not good enough for possibly fraught statements in a BLP; they have to be put in or the material removed.
But don't forget that there are also apparently some sources on the 1970 side. I haven't vetted them.
Bottom line: at best, you're skating on really really thin ice to give a single date as the stone fact. We shouldn't do it. OP is spot on and should not be blown off. Herostratus (talk) 04:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
In a case like this, a local newspaper is an ideal source, because there's no credible case to be made for it being falsified 52 years ago. The People article is solid verification. Nobody's offered a reliable source for the later date. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Calling "investigative journalism" or sources with less quality those who have cited the 1969 year seems disputable when the apparently reason is because preferred year is 1970. Yes, Mariah, her fans or relatives have said she was born on 1970 and we have the impression she is herself aware that her age has been disputed. A user commented something like "1 year doesn't make a difference". For her analogy a decade of difference makes more sense (I mean a person born from 1970s instead 1960s). Like it or not, there is no way to overlook the fact of a birth announcement IMHO. Maybe those who are really convinced that she was born in 1970, can take a look of something calling Age fabrication when a person changes information on her/his vital records, a practice among some celebrities. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 15:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Presumably Carey's birth was officially registered somewhere. In the UK, anyone can obtain a birth certificate for somebody else on application to a registrar's office and payment of a small fee. I don't know what the situation in the US is though. Mjroots (talk) 17:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

move page causes name conflict

I'd like to move a page, but the target title already exists as a redirect page. Essentially I want to swap the titles of the two pages. I figure I can do this by first moving the redirect page using a temporary title, but first want to see if there is a better way to do this. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggleston (talkcontribs) 16:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Biggleston The easiest thing to do would be to simply delete the redirect first, then move the article, then recreate a redirect at the original article title. As deleting requires an administrator, you may request the page move at requested moves. If you think the page move will be at all controversial, you should first establish a consensus for what you want to do. 331dot (talk) 17:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Level 1 or level 4 warn?

How is it possible to define whether to warn a vandal with level 1 or directly at level 4? Dr Salvus 21:02, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: You can see the guidance here on when to start at level 1 and when to start at level 3 or 4: Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_warnings/Usage_and_layout RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

A picture of possible value.

I have a picture that my great uncle took of the USS Rhode Island that may be of interest on the Wikipedia entry USS_Rhode_Island_(BB-17) It is unique because of the ship's paint job and I didn't see it on any of the US Navy History pages either. How would one go about uploading it and/or adding it to that wiki entry?

User S8635 — Preceding unsigned comment added by S8635 (talkcontribs) 22:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@S8635: if you own the copyright to it, I'd recommend uploading it to Wikimedia Commons: c:Special:UploadWizard. Then, you can insert it into the article. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:25, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

April 12

Parentheses within parentheses

Could anyone please tell me if it's ever acceptable to use parentheses within a parenthetical? For an example analogous to what inspired this, "(Ambrose Bierce wrote 'An Inhabitant of Carcosa' (1886))".--Thylacine24 (talk) 07:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Preferably not, because it's a sign you should rephrase, but yes it's possible. See this thread, but in general this forum is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia, not general questions. Shushugah (talk) 08:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
@Shushugah: Thanks, and sorry to ask it here, but I wasn't sure if Wikipedia had a particular policy about it or not, since the Manual of Style didn't seem to have anything to say about it, other than maybe an example sentence about Hamlet.--Thylacine24 (talk) 09:28, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
@Thylacine24: Per MOS:BRACKET (where presumably you saw the sentence about Hamlet), square brackets should be used for parentheses within parentheses, so (Ambrose Bierce wrote "An Inhabitant of Carcosa" [1886]) would be preferred. Deor (talk) 16:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
@Deor: Thanks, but I've rephrased the parenthetical that inspired this as a phrase surrounded by commas.--Thylacine24 (talk) 18:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

How do I make a new Article?

Just wondering cause I can not find it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fun81 (talkcontribs) 14:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

See Your first article for details. However, it's worth noting creating a brand new page from scratch is one of the hardest things to do on wikipedia, so you should get some experience editing existing pages. You also cannot move pages to mainspace until you are autoconfirmed, but you can create in draftspace and submit to be promoted. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 14:50, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
I think, @Lee Vilenski: that our relatively new colleague @Fun81: is already autoconfirmed. However, the record of contributions contains many that were reverted. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Well, @Jim.henderson: this is what happens when you try discussing on the talk page, fail because the admins already perfected the article, you start sneaking and changing articles(not vandalizing), get reverted, then decide to edit stubs, still get reverted, and then make your own damn article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fun81 (talkcontribs)

help needed

{{helpme}}

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Donallogue (talkcontribs) 17:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Donallogue: - How can we help you? Mjroots (talk) 17:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

If this is about Talk:Donal Logue#Birthdate, it appears to have been sorted. If it's something else, Donal, please let us know and we’ll try to help. Pelagicmessages ) – (08:29 Wed 14, AEDT) 21:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Someone may want to point out to Donallogue that he, being the subject of the article Donal Logue, should not be editing the article directly, and should declare his COI and probably get a new user name.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:23, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Quisqualis They don't need a new username, as their identity has been verified via OTRS according to their talkpage. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:27, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
I've issued a uw-coi, and explained the situation further. Mjroots (talk) 18:39, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Donal hasn’t touched the article for over a year, and his main motivation for doing so is now resolved via OTRS. There's a good chance he might not log in again, or might not know what to do with all the alerts about pings and talk page messages. As far as I can tell all the i’s are dotted and t’s crossed. I even updated Wikidata. Pelagicmessages ) – (08:06 Thu 15, AEDT) 21:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Can I add a photo to a Wikipedia page.

How Can I add a photo to a Wikipedia page?PatARobinsonPhotos (talk) 18:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

The answer is that anyone can upload pictures under the correct licencing. I think one's account must be a certain number of days old. However your username may well be against policy. And if you are a professional photographer you are likely to have a potential conflict of interest if you are using photos in any manner to promote your business. Please read WP:PAID and WP:COI Fiddle Faddle 18:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
You can upload any file that you are able to completely release all rights to right now at Wikimedia Commons, using the same login credentials you use on Wikipedia. Commons is the worldwide image repository for all Wikimedia Foundation projects. However, they absolutely do not accept any works that are subject to copyright, those would still have to be uploaded directly to Wikipedia with an appropriate fair use rationale, which is a fairly involved process, hence why it is restricted to users who are confirmed. The idea is that you take a little time to learn the basics of the project before you start trying to license images for release here. However, there is also the files for upload process that allows you to request that another user assist you with it. All that being said I also have the exact same concerns about your username and possible conflict of interest. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
I assume Beeblebrox meant to link to WP:FFU. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
indeed, forgot the WP prefix, fixed. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:15, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
@PatARobinsonPhotos: Here is a slightly different view. We welcome high-quality professional photographs. Thank you if you are willing to provide them. We rigorously comply with copyright law, which for modern photos means we need the copyright holder (almost always the photographer) to license the copyright to us. In keeping with our philosophy, the license must be CC-BY-SA or some less-restrictive license, all of which let anyone, not just us, use the photo, with attribution, for any purpose. Many professional photographers understandably will not provide such a license for their work. Some professionals choose to provide a lower-resolution image with the appropriate license. If you decide to proceed and you have additional questions, please come back here and we can help. -Arch dude (talk) 22:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Act

Date of weac And jamb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.101.214 (talk)

This is not a coherent request for help with anything on Wikipedia.Please rephrase. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Create articles yourself vs

What is the difference between create articles yourself vs submitting work to Articles for creation? Thanks.Palisades1 (talk) 21:02, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

A few things. Articles for Creation entries are in Draft and as such can be worked on until they are ready to be submitted and additionally help can be asked for in both improving the article *and* determining whether or not it should be created at all. (Certain people or things simply aren't notable enough for articles and no amount of improvement will help. A user needs to have a certain number of edits in order to create an article. And a new user creating an article from scratch that won't go through the article for Discussion to be deleted is extremely difficult.Naraht (talk) 21:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Palisades, if you create an article directly, you are saying "I am confident that I can make it good enough immediately to stay in main space". If you can, that's fine. If you can't, then there's a few different things that might happen. Another editor might see it, and go "That's not quite there, but it's an interesting topic, so I'll do a bit of work on it and bring up to the minimum standard to be retained". Another is that an editor will say "That looks like a worthwhile topic, but the article really isn't in the right league yet", and move it to Draft, where you (or anybody else) can continue developing it. Other possibilities, less welcome for you, are that an editor says "I don't think that meets our standard of notability" and takes it to articles for deletion: a discussion will ensue, but unless you (or somebody) can find the sources required to establish notability, it will get deleted. Another possibility, even less gratifying, is that an editor will say "I don't know whether the subject is notable, but this article is so promotional that it can't be rescued", and nominate it for speedy deletion. Now, editors may have those reactions to a draft you create, of course; but it will not get summarily deleted unless it is a copyright infringement or totally unsalvageable; and editors and reviewers will be more willing to work with you to get it up to scratch. --ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Boxers from New York

John Vargas known as Johnny boy Vargas ( Boxrec.com) is a former professional boxer with the record of 18-1 10 KO retired also a 1998 Daily news golden glove champion , Empire State games champion Nyc Metro Champion . Born and raised in the Soundview Section of the Bronx .— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:186:4581:2540:ddb6:143a:3410:ab73 (talkcontribs) 12 April 2021 22:31 (UTC)

Hello, do you have a question about how to use or edit Wikipedia? If so please feel free to ask it here. Eagleash (talk) 22:36, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


April 13

italicized pages in categories

Hi, I have noticed italicized pages in categories which seem to be for links to rows in tables and I cannot figure out how to transport these links to more relevant categories. ShadowDragon343 (talk) 00:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@ShadowDragon343: If you are viewing a category page, and the link in in italics, that is because the link is a redirect. Mjroots (talk) 05:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Redirect#How to edit a redirect or convert it into an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Help needed in setting up AfD

Please help by fixing this AfD formatting. There's a separate AfD at the bottom of this page, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tyson_Walker (totally unrelated to the Tyson Walker AfD), that should be its own AfD on its own page: namely the AfD for Daunte Wright riots.

Please put the Daunte Wright riots AfD on its own page and fix the link on the article page, if you would. Many, many thanks in advance. Moncrief (talk) 00:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

P.S. This has now been handled, so please disregard the above request. Moncrief (talk) 00:52, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

How to cite an image of a letter

I found a photo of a letter concerning the start date of principal photography from the series Degrassi Junior High, from the show's production company. The letter is a notification to residents in a particular area on how filming will commence. The problem is, while it's an official notice from a production company, it is just just a scanned image with no accessible text equivalent to link to. How do you cite something like this? Is a production letter suitable for citation? ToQ100gou (talk) 07:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

ToQ100gou No, as Wikipedia summarizes what publicly available independent reliable sources state. A letter from the company is a primary source and is also not a publicly available source(since it was sent to and intended for residents only). Typically film productions are announced in a trade publication or the news in general. 331dot (talk) 07:22, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Не актуальная информация

Добрый день! При наборе названия нашей организации выводит ссылку на Википедию с информацией об организации не относящейся к нашей. Как исправить? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoVector https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80&lr=172 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.30.176.225 (talk)

This is English language Wikipedia, so communication should be in English. The translation of your question appears to be "Good day! When typing the name of our organization, it displays a link to Wikipedia with information about an organization that is not related to ours. How to fix?" The answer to this is that we cannot fix it, because search engines such as yandex.ru take their information from multiple sources. You would need to contact them directly about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Appears GeoVector and ГеоВектор are two different companies with the same name. (I couldn’t find an article for ГеоВектор in ruwiki.) I'm not seeing the Wikipedia article in Yandex results now, so guess the immediate issue is sorted? Pelagicmessages ) – (09:18 Wed 14, AEDT) 22:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Protestant Eastern Churches

Hello, I really need help regarding the above mentioned page. According the The notablity criteria laid down by Wikipedia, anything cannot be created. A subject that is not covered outside Wikipedia, does not have any value or significance. An article should have proper verifiable evidence, and significance in the real world.

The concept of "Protestant Eastern Churches" is not a term used anywhere in the real world. Even after surfing through Google for an hours, I have not find such a classification in Christianity.

Can the article be proposed for speedy deletion as there is no such classification. Randomscholar1996 (talk) 13:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Randomscholar1996, Eastern Protestant Christianity cannot be speedily deleted as it has been the subject of a 2019 deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Protestant Eastern Christianity, which ended in no consensus. TSventon (talk) 14:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
And there is no page called Protestant Eastern Churches. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I went through the discussion, I am not sure if there has been a consensus regarding that. But what is that I can do now? Can I propose it for deletion and start a new discussion? I really feel, it does not clearly portray truth and verifiability. Any suggestions as what steps I can take Randomscholar1996 (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Randomscholar1996, there are three possible courses of action. Without reading all the previous discussions, I would put them in this order:
1. move on to another issue as this deletion has already been discussed and did not reach a conclusion
2. continue to discuss on talk pages
3. read the essay Wikipedia:Renominating for deletion and start another Wikipedia:Articles for deletion discussion. This may not succeed for the same reason as the previous nomination. TSventon (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi Randomscholar1996. I'm a bit puzzled by your post. Putting aside that, as noted, the article your post regards is apparently "Eastern Protestant Christianity" and not "Protestant Eastern Churches" (though the phrase is mentioned in the article), you state as your rationale: that the concept/term is not used in the real world; and that you turned to Google to substantiate that; and that you spent hours doing so. Yet, the exact phrase (i.e., searched using quote marks around the title), returns multiple results (even limiting the search to just books results returns multiple hits).

Additionally, we often have articles on topics aggregating many instances of a definable thing, sometimes at merely descriptive titles ("French Gothic stained glass windows"; "Medieval stained glass in Sweden"), or even explicitly named as a list article ("List of churches named after Saint Joseph"), so long as doing so is not highly indiscriminate, or we can develop limiting criteria for inclusion, and the singular things or instances making up the descriptive or list title are verifiable. In other words, the existence of churches that are fairly characterized as both Eastern and Protestant might be a proper subject of an article, even if the amalgamated descriptive title was not itself used in the literature (which is not the case here). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fuhghettaboutit I do apologize for writing the wrong heading. I don't know if it's geographical differences, I am not getting any of those. The most near term search would be comparing Protestantism and Orthodoxy, or Missionary works of Protestant Churches in the East. However nothing in relation to Eastern Protestant Christianity as a community or categorization. I have checked the websites of Ecumenical Organizations such as the World Council of Churces, Christian Conference of Asia, Conference of European Churches etc, to see if such a classification exist. I could not find any.
The point I made was in relation to the guidelines I saw in the Notablity page. It has been written that if a concept, term, person, idea is not used in the real world or does not have substantial evidence from second party and third party sources the article should not be included in Wikipedia. In the case of Eastern Protestant Christianity there is not even first hand sources of such an idea in existence. That is the reason I raised such a question in this forum . Thank you. Randomscholar1996 (talk) 19:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I own Karan Kundra page

Hi I am KARAN Kundra and I need to edit my page.

I am not able to gain access. I can also show proof that this is me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.144.143.165 (talk)

No you don't own it, see WP:OWN. This is Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. If you are the subject of the article, please read WP:COI and WP:AUTO. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:24, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
It is not "your page", but a Wikipedia article about you. You may make a formal edit request on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed, sourced to independent reliable sources. Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 15:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
And if you're talking about the Google Knowledge Graph (which you can claim), you'd need to contact Google.
Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:28, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Karan Kundra doesn't appear to be protected, so what do you mean by "gain access"? Unsourced changes may be reverted. Pelagicmessages ) – (09:26 Wed 14, AEDT) 22:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Help in use of template for "death date and age"

Hi. I am trying to edit the article April 2021 United States Capitol car attack. Specifically, the section and the InfoBox about the police officer Billy Evans (here ---> April 2021 United States Capitol car attack#Victim). I am trying to insert his birth, death, and age. I am trying to use this template ---> {{death date and age|2021|04|02|1980|02|18|mf=yes}}. It just won't seem to work. Please help. And please let me know what exactly is the error I made. Many thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Source: [2]. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:37, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
@Joseph A. Spadaro: I don't see anything wrong with the death date. Although his birth date didn't show up because of a broken template (I've fixed it). Kleinpecan (talk) 15:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
For future reference the issue here was that you forgot to include the name of the birth date template as the first parameter, so the software was looking for a template called "02" instead. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I really don't have a good grasp on how the Wikipedia Templates work. When I made the edit, I typed in ... {{death date and age|2021|04|02|1980|02|18|mf=yes}}. What was I supposed to type in, to make the template work correctly? All I did was a "copy and paste" from the Original Template page (this ---> Template:Death date and age) ... and I simply changed the relevant dates. (I think? No?) Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:54, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: That code is correct and you added it correctly at |death_date= in the infobox. The problem was in |birth_date=. You wrote |birth_date={{02|18|1980}}. The first part after {{ is the name of a template, not a parameter. Kleinpecan fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, all. I get it, now. Makes sense. Thanks for the explanations ... and for fixing the article page. Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Resolved

Archiving a User Talk Page

I have been manually archiving my user talk page for years, but that is work that I now realize can be just as well done by certain bots that have the capability to archive user talk pages. Right now I am not asking anyone to set up archiving of my talk page, or to show me in detail how to archive my talk page, but I would like to know which bots are available and where the parameters to set the bot are documented. That is, I would like to control how long discussions stay on the talk page, as well as when an archive becomes full and is switched over to the next number. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:09, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Have a look at Help:Archiving a talk page#Automated archiving, which has a comparison of the two main archiving bots and some example configuration setups. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 16:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
(e/c) Hey Robert. See Help:Archiving a talk page#Automated archiving, the current bots available are listed at the "Help:Archiving a talk page#Choosing a bot section. Just below that is detail on the parameters to use. As to the two parameter types you've identified you want control over, depending on which bot you choose, each has slightly different parameter names. Just using the code for lowercase sigmabot III as an example, it provides a 90-day default, so you would change |algo=old(90d) to whatever number of days you want the bot to hold off before archiving; for size, it provides a 75,000-byte threshold before opening a new archive, so you would change |maxarchivesize=75k to whatever number of bytes you want. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

How can I see which redirects exist in document

Hello, I'm not native English speaker, so my English can be unnatural.

As I wrote in headline, how can I see which redirects exist in specific document? I want to know whether there are right redirects in documents, but I have no idea how to find it. Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LR0725 (talkcontribs) 16:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@LR0725: If you mean Wikipedia redirects in Wikipedia pages then you can install User:BrandonXLF/GreenRedirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Publishing a page

I would like to publish my page with my photo. I have sent in the request to publish but I still do not see it. Can you please help? Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Stiell (talkcontribs) 17:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Ian Stiell If you are referring to your sandbox, you have not actually submitted it for review. If you were to do so, however, it would be rejected quickly, as it is completely unsourced to independent reliable sources. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a person, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Wikipedia is not a place to post your resume. Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
@Ian Stiell: Photographs are tricky. Usually it's the photographer not the subject who holds copyright, even if it’s work for hire. One workaround is to use a timer or remote shutter release to photograph yourself. For the mechanics of adding references to your sandbox article, see Help:Referencing for beginners. (The instructions there focus on wikitext and the 2010 editing toolbar. With Visual Editor, the principles are the same but the interface is different.) Pelagicmessages ) – (08:29 Thu 15, AEDT) 21:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Minnesota Vacation

It is with deep regret that our family unit of 3 generations will be unable to make it to Minnesota this year on vacation to show our children and grandchildren your beautiful state. None of us has ever been racist but with all the rioting and damaging of peoples stores and restaurants and people allowed to run rampant and civil unrest going on we fear for our safety since no one seems to get arrested for anything there. I went to school outside of Chicago and speaking with my siblings none of us ever remember our parents, family members or even our neighbors ever asking if the friend we were bringing home was black, brown, white, or any other color to join us for dinner or for stay overs and certainly not their social class. What was expected was to behave, respect each other and our property and to be honest, virtues which seem to elude so many of those in power there. We were taught to respect our elders and the police, to always be obedient and truthful. These are virtues we choose to pass onto our children, not all this that's happening there. Besides, why should we spend our hard earned money there and support your local businesses when you do nothing to protect them. So sad, we will all keep you in our prayers.

Now what happens to anyone when they get shot or hurt by anyone regardless of color, race, ethnicity or social background is beyond tragic for all parties involved. Justice should prevail and due process afforded to all involved. After all we live in the greatest country on earth, the United States of America. But listening to that mayor today inciting racism just made me cry. My children asked me why I was crying. I said listen, this is hatred being shown towards other people. Showing respect, gratitude and love, being honest about all sides of every situation will do more to fix any kind of divide in this country than anything else. What gives anyone the right to destroy someone else's property? What gives anyone the right to kill, mame or hurt anyone else? What gives this so called mayor the right to judge someone so harshly without a full investigation? I can only pray Mr. Mayor that if you do someone wrong that the injured party to which you have wronged will show more grace and forgiveness than you have.

Until you lay down all your hatred and begin to respect each other, other's property and respect each other you can all have all your hatred and violence. Please just stay in Minnesota and do that. We choose not have any part of it or experience it in person. We pray for all of you.

The Smith Family and yes, that if our real name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:bd07:4c5:c8ec:5b55:1c3c:136d (talkcontribs)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.2 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:56, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I would suggest that you direct your comments to the government official in Minnesota you seem to be referring to. 331dot (talk) 21:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Daunte Wright

Killing of Daunte Wright (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Daunte Wright Mother is WHITE, Daunte Wright is NOT BLACK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:3C4:8180:1940:9E:E670:DE9F:569E (talk) 23:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

The source noted in the article, which can be seen here says he was black. Wikipedia reports upon what the sources say. If you have a reliable source which says something different, please feel free to join the discussion at the article talk page. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 00:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Unless Wright was a clone, his father has some say in the matter. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:22, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
It's complicated. Please see Black_people. -Arch dude (talk) 18:25, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Barack Obama identifies as a black person even though his mom was white. 331dot (talk) 21:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

April 14

Sockpuppet query

Hello, another editor and I have been discussing a newbie who is acting like an experienced editor. The person has immediately created templates, entered various deletion discussions and shown familiarity with the site and its terminology. The problem we have is that we cannot with any certainty identify a master account, which SPI requires, although we do have one suspicion. What is the best way to go about getting a suspect newbie's credentials checked in such a case? Apologies if I'm come to the wrong place with this. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 03:47, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

In this case I would probbably wait, until either somebody else remembers who the master is, you remember who the master is, or perhaps the new account turns into a valuable contributor (I have heard rumors that there are persons who read a substantial amount of Wikipedia rules before they hit save for the first time) Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:40, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Okay, it might be as well to wait and see what develops. Thanks for the advice, Victor. No Great Shaker (talk) 05:57, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
FWIW, I myself have been editing on Wikipedia for around 15 years without creating a User Account. If and when I do decide to create one, I will obviously appear to have more than "newbie" expertise. The editor in question may be someone like me (I can hardly be unique in my approach), so I suggest that you need a little more evidence of malfeasance before jumping to conclusions.
To anticipate the likely question, my choice to remain accountless so far is based on a desire to avoid the psychological pressure I would feel under (because I'm weird) to be even more active when I should really be doing other things, and on the belief that edits should be assessed on their own merits without relying on an editor's reputation. (I adopted the "pseudo-sig" that follows purely to avoid confusion in conversations, after my formerly static home IP became dynamic due to an ISP takeover.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.35.136 (talk) 11:12, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

How can I add an historical photo?

I'm not very familiar with uploading images, could someone help me understand how to upload a historical photo of Rosario Sánchez Mora (the Dynamiter), the Republican heroine in the Spanish Civil War? There are several very interesting ones,[3][4] I think it would improve the graphics of the article.--Mhorg (talk) 10:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Mhorg:The Spanish Civil War was recent enough that those photos' copyrights may not have lapsed. You will need to go through the drudgery of figuring out the copyright status. This is exactly the sort of situation that infuriates me: the possible copyright is of no use to anyone, but copyright law forces us to do a lot of extra work. After that, you can upload by clicking the "upload file" link in the left-hand column on any Wikipedia page (like this one) and following the instructions. If the copyright has lapsed, upload to Commons. If not, then you can still upload one image of her to the English Wikipedia instead of Commons under our extremely restrictive interpretation of the "fair use" doctrine, which you will need to read. After you complete the upload process, you can then add the picture or pictures to the article. -Arch dude (talk) 15:01, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
@Arch dude: thanks for the your answer! I uploaded a few images years ago, but I still don't understand precisely how it works. I agree with you that these copyright constraints can be very counterproductive. I will try to do as you say, I'll make some attempts to understand the copyright status.--Mhorg (talk) 18:30, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
@Mhorg: A good place to ask is WP:MCQ which is where copyright experts answer questions. RudolfRed (talk) 19:14, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: thank you too. This too can be very helpful.--Mhorg (talk) 20:45, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
I couldn’t agree more. 70 years PMA is not only infuriating, it’s excessive and counterproductive. 50 years from creation should be enough for anyone to get the benefit from their work. Patents are only 17 years. (Mhorg, you can also ask the folks at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Thanks RR for the MCA link, I didn’t know that one.) — Pelagicmessages ) – (08:43 Thu 15, AEDT) 21:43, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

template:campaignbox is displayed on a notebook but not shown at all on a tablet or a mobile

In Battle of Loschniza the standard template:Campaignbox Napoleon's invasion of Russia is used. The article is displayed correctly on a notebook but not on a tablet or a mobile as the content of the "Campaignbox Napoleon's invasion of Russia" is simply not shown. The same is true for the content of the "Campainbox Napoleonic Wars" in French invasion of Russia. Is this a known problem? Are there any any solutions?Ruedi33a (talk) 11:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ruedi33a: Navigation templates (navboxes) are deliberately omitted from the mobile version, also {{Napoleonic Wars}} at the bottom of Battle of Loschniza. {{Campaignbox}} uses Module:Navbox. The bottom of mobile pages have a "Desktop" link to see the desktop version which includes navboxes. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Walt Blackman Error in Educational Information

There is an error in my profile regarding my education. I am not a graduate of Almende University. I have never attended that school nor do I know where that university is located. Please remove that from my profile. Thanks

Walt Blackman— Preceding unsigned comment added by Walterb2003b (talkcontribs)

Is this about Walter_Blackman? I don't see Almende mentioned there. If it is about a different article (NOT profile!) please link to it. RudolfRed (talk) 19:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
RudolfRed The user removed the (unsourced) information in question prior to posting at the help desk. Walterb2003b I have left a message for you on your talk page with useful advice and instructions for editors with a conflict of interest. Please read the pages linked from that message carefully. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:55, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Joining Department

So I want to join the Department of Fun, but I have no idea how to join. Do I just add myself to the member list or is there a process? ThatOneRandomGuyYouMeet (talk) 20:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

No process, just add your name to the list. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:21, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Closing an AFD

Can an administrator close this AFD at some point ---> Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devin Goda, please? It looks like the discussion -- as it were -- has run its course. Even after a "re-listing". And it's been about two weeks. Full disclosure: I created / started the article ... and am a proponent / supporter of keeping the article. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:40, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: You might want to go to Wikipedia:ANC for closure requests. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:56, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
@Joseph A. Spadaro: Generally speaking, a relist restarts the seven-day clock. (Technically, it can be closed at any time, but in practice this rarely happens.) As such, an admin will reevaluate consensus on or about 17 April. There's no need to go to ANC or anywhere else: just wait a few days and something further (either closure or a 2nd relist) will occur. See WP:RELIST for more information. Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:29, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Broken table/chart in article

Hello,

While reading an article List_of_The_Goldbergs_episodes, I noticed the table of the episodes' rankings at the bottom is broken. Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. I thought I'd bring the issue to attention here so hopefully a more experienced editor can do so. Thank you, User:Heyoostorm_talk! 22:17, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Heyoostorm, what about it is broken? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 03:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
The table in the "Specials" section is missing a header for its fifth column. Maproom (talk) 06:09, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Fixed, {{Episode table}} has a parameter named airdate not air-date -- John of Reading (talk) 06:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

April 15

How to submit a page creation request

How can I create a Wikipedia page?

First, pick a subject that is notable by our definition (WP:N). An article (not a "page") cannot be added to Wikipedia unless the subject is notable. After you have found several published sources (WP:RS) that show notability, proceed to WP:YFA. -Arch dude (talk) 02:10, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

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